Mythic+ provides a way for players to engage in progressively more challenging content to have fun, to earn better loot, and to improve their skills. While the system is officially called the Mythic Keystone
system, the community has latched onto calling it "Mythic Plus", "Mythic+", or sometimes just "M+".
The goal of our Mythic+ 101 series is to provide new players with the foundation they need to get started in Mythic+. This series is a collaboration between Raider.IO
and the Mythic Plus Friends
In the previous chapter
, we discussed the basics of what you should know before your first Mythic+ dungeon. Here in Chapter 3, we address pugging, group dynamics, and how to network. Understanding these concepts will help you find success in Mythic+.
Table of Contents“Pugging”
, or a “pug”, is short for “pick up group”. People generally refer to grouping with players they do not already know to run content together, as a “pug”. While some players have a network of friends to choose from, or are part of a guild or community, there is still sometimes a need to play with people outside of those networks to fill groups. Perhaps your guild members aren’t online, or maybe you are newer to the game and do not have a wide list of players to choose from yet. Whatever your reason, pugging is an option that many players choose when filling their dungeon group.
Pugging was made easier with the introduction of the in-game Group Finder tool
. This tool, commonly referred to as “LFG
”, allows you to select the content in which you wish to find a group for, and either search for a relevant group to join or create your own. Dungeon groups in LFG are usually titled based on the level of difficulty and what role/skill level is being sought for that group. Some other features include filters by item level, voice app requirements (Discord
is a common app for communication), and a section to describe your group in further detail.
Many dungeon groups also use the Raider.IO addon
to get a baseline for experience level of players before the dungeon starts. This may seem intimidating at first, but fear not, the Raider.IO addon and website are easy to use and provide detailed information.
Understanding Group Dynamics [back to top]
A group’s dynamic can be viewed simply as the group’s goals. This may vary, and being descriptive in your goals either as a group leader or as someone seeking a group will make for a better overall experience. Some common terms you will see to describe various goals are “pushing”, “learning”, “completion”, and “farming”. You will want to align yourself with other players and groups that are looking to achieve similar goals, as these goals will often dictate the style of dungeon you can anticipate.
- Pushing a key means the group not only intends to complete the dungeon, but also do so in time and move on to the next key that is received as a result of their success. An example would be if a group has a +9 Spires of Ascension and they complete it in time to get a +10, then that same group would be looking to run the new key as well. Groups with this mindset are often looking for players of a similar skill level and are usually seeking to get higher tier loot or higher Raider.IO scores. Generally speaking, people looking to push keys intend to take the runs more seriously and will usually require voice communication. These groups will often take time to plan their route in advance and sometimes use ideas from Raider.IO’s Weekly Route. A “pushing” group is typically looking for players interested in doing multiple keys at successively higher levels, so if you are looking to just do one key and stop, these are probably not the groups for you.
- Learning groups are generally more patient. These groups are interested in practicing and learning dungeons, and completing the dungeons in time is sometimes a secondary goal. If you are a newer player, you may find yourself seeking these groups out, or advertising for your own learning group. In these groups you can expect to practice routes, group compositions, strategies, and more.
- Completion groups are often primarily interested in their weekly rewards. While these groups may also seek out similarly skilled players, there is generally less pressure on completing the dungeon within the time limit as the end goal is the weekly vault loot. When joining or forming this style of group you can usually expect to be doing the highest key possible for completion rewards, which is currently a +15 keystone. This will give the highest weekly reward, and give the highest possible starting key level for the following week allowing for players to repeat this process. Completion groups are also often referred to as “weekly no-leavers”, which references the idea that the group does not care how long the dungeon takes, as long as it gets completed.
- Farming groups are usually players who are newer or on an alternative character (alts) that still need some loot to get their ilvl up. These groups usually move at a faster pace, and do lower or mid-level keys as quickly as possible for more chances at loot. Sometimes these groups will also do what is referred to as “armor stacking” which means that they will try to find players of the same armor type (cloth, leather, mail, plate). This allows players to trade pieces of loot they receive more efficiently. With the addition of valor point rewards through Mythic+, you will also find more and more of these farming groups looking to earn maximum valor points in the shortest amount of time possible.
There are a lot of different group dynamics in the Mythic+ world, so the important thing is to be clear about your intentions. If you are forming a group, make sure to advertise what the group’s goals are, and if you are seeking a group, make sure to let people know what your personal goals are. Being clear about goals will lead to a more positive experience as you can be certain that everyone in your group is comfortable with the pace and plans of the team.
Now that you know what pugging is, and how to effectively form or search for Mythic+ groups, the next skill you will want to learn is how to properly Network in the world of Mythic+. While pugging can help you get to the end goal you seek, having a network or a group of friends to do keys with can make the experience one of the most enjoyable to be had in World of Warcraft.
Networking is one of the most underrated skills when it comes to success in Mythic+. You need a group of 5 people in order to do Mythic+ content, so it is very important to make good impressions and connect with the people you meet when you pug. There are several ways to find groups and meet new players in WoW:
2. Battle.net Communities
3. Twitch Streams
Discord is a powerful tool that many players use not only to communicate, but also to organize and find groups or permanent Mythic+ teams. Some people have their own private Discord servers that they gather people in after successful runs, which can be a good way to stay in touch with people you enjoyed playing with. If you are seeking new players to run with there are large public Discord servers that are set up to help players find groups or permanent teams, and generally meet new people. Mythic Plus Friends
is a popular Discord that services a wide range of players.
When first joining a Discord server it can be a bit overwhelming, but most public servers have a welcome channel and rules section, and some also include a FAQ to help guide new members. Once you have familiarized yourself you will find that some servers also have roles available to help cater to your individual needs as a player. Mythic Plus Friends for example has roles to set your faction and region, as well as your role in the group (Tank, Healer, DPS). Joining your first large Discord server may seem intimidating, but public Discords also usually have a moderation team available to keep things friendly and assist users within the server.
After you feel comfortable within a server you’ll find that most public Mythic+ Discords have LFG channels designated for different key levels, team forming channels for finding a permanent group to run with, and some include places to find help with learning about Mythic+ such as the Mythic Plus Academy inside Mythic Plus Friends.2. Battle.net Communities
Battle.net communities are located in the guild and communities section of your in-game User Interface. These communities allow you to create a group to which you can invite players much like a guild, with the added benefit that they can be from another realm. This is a simple way to gather players without necessarily adding them all to your friends list, or to meet new players in more established communities. One of the biggest advantages to communities is that they will show you who is currently online, which can help in finding players who are ready to go at the same time.
Much like Discord there are players that have private communities that they use to expand their network, inviting players they have had successful runs with. There are also communities that are public that you can find using the "Find a Community" feature. Public communities can operate similar to a public Discord and act as a great tool to meet new players.
Lastly, there are some communities that have certain requirements to join. Some may require a certain Mythic+ score, and others could be based on scheduling such as players that only meet on the weekends. Having an understanding of which communities make the most sense for you as an individual, and how to navigate them is one more powerful way to meet new players and expand your network.3. Twitch Streams
Meeting people through Twitch
can be a bit trickier to navigate. As a general rule of thumb, you should not randomly ask streamers to play with you. This can sometimes be considered rude or make the streamer uncomfortable. What you should look out for instead are streams that have “viewer runs” in their title. Streamers doing viewer runs expect to meet new players from their Twitch community, so this can be a good way to get involved and make new connections.
Raider.IO also offers a Twitch integration feature
. This feature allows users to link their Twitch account to their Raider.IO profile which will show when they are live. This tool can help users find players currently streaming which benefits the streamer and allows players to find viewer runs.
Our next chapter is coming in two weeks! Chapter 4 of this series delves into how to properly conduct yourself online when doing dungeons, otherwise known as Mythic+ “Netiquette”.
About the Author
(Mari/Marinara) is a Marksmanship Hunter main who loves to play all classes in Mythic+ and raiding. He is a staff member at Mythic Plus Friends
, and the Guild Master of Dualism
. While he loves Mythic raiding and higher Mythic+ content, he also enjoys helping other players get involved and expanding the Mythic+ community through the Mythic Plus Academy
at Mythic Plus Friends